# Being Chosheish for Other Shitos

**URL:** https://discourse.aishdas.org/t/being-chosheish-for-other-shitos/67677
**Category:** Avodah
**Created:** [October 13, 2026, 1:16pm UTC](https://discourse.aishdas.org/t/being-chosheish-for-other-shitos/67677 "2026-10-13T13:16:22Z")
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### Author: ![mberger](https://discourse.aishdas.org/user_avatar/discourse.aishdas.org/mberger/32/1460_2.png) [@mberger](https://discourse.aishdas.org/u/mberger)
#### Post date: [October 14, 2026, 9:10am UTC](https://discourse.aishdas.org/t/being-chosheish-for-other-shitos/67677/5 "2026-10-14T09:10:49Z")

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> [@Danny\_Schoemann](#):
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> Classic case of a _Cholent Chumra._
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> But, I think you swung the pendulum all the way to the other side.
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> First we were discussing something that has a solid source in the Talmud…

Intentionally so. I gave two reasons why the category of _chumeros_ in R @YGB’s taxonomy of being _chosheish_ for other _shitos_ bothered me:

1. Conceptual inconsistency – which I typified as a Brisk vs Telzh thing, but the number of people on either side is much larger than that.
2. Distrust in the halachic process

To find a case of #1 alone, I intentionally went to a domain that had no active _pesaqim_ to find that egregious case of _Cholent Chumra_\* by a noted contemporary (and Brisker) _poseiq._

(\* I think you should Trademark)

> [@Danny\_Schoemann](#):
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> As my Opa would have quipped: _whatever you do is going to be wrong._

Well, maybe when it comes to the strings. But still, you’re yotzei lavan either way, so nothing lost, even if you might be wrong and nothing gained.

Or, perhaps until there is a _pesaq_ …אלו ואלו דברי אלוקים חיים. The _gemara_ I quoted earlier, about combining _chumeros_ is clearly from before והלכה כבית הלל… because it starts “והרוצה לעשות כדברי בית שמאי עושה כדברי בית הלל עושה” and concludes similarly. Which gives weight to the אלו ואלו idea.

But R Herschel Schachter ends up with lots of details that come from contradictory rationals. _Lo zakhisi lehavin_.

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Drifting more to the details specific to my example:

In this particular case, the Semag does hold “any of the above”, arguably a fourth _shitah_. But still, possible.

When it comes to the strings, none of these differences are _me’aqeiv_. So this Opa would apply the opposite quip, “Whatever you do is equally right.”

(Personally, I do something that preserves the current Ashkenazi 7-8-11-13 but with _chulyos_ of 3 as well. Although truth is, the real Minhag Ashkenaz was 7- **9** -11-13, until _Tzefas_. A diference between 40 and 40-chaseir-achas, both notable numbers in our _mesorah_. But 7-8-11-13 can make 13 chulyos divided the way the Ari says (think Chabad tzitzis).

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